The Voice to Parliament will help Australia's First Nations People

The Voice to Parliament will help Australia's First Nations People.

I and many others attended the Voice to Parliament information night in Kooyong to learn more about why it is so important. 

Bart Willoughby, A Pitjantjatjara man of the Mirning dreaming played didgeridoo and acknowledged the Wurundjeri people to open the event . 

The speakers were: 

Dr Monique Ryan, independent MP for Kooyong

Thomas Mayo, Kaurareg Aboriginal and Kalkalgal, Erubamle Torres Strait Islander man. 

Marcus Stewart, Nira illim bulluk man of the Taungurung Nation

You can watch the event here:

Some key points were made by the speakers.

Thomas Mayo:  "The Voice will provide recognition to and consultation with First Nations people. Have conversations with your family and friends about this."

Many decades of struggle, heartbreak and hard work have led up to the Voice. The Voice is logical, its strategic for closing the gap, and its key for hearing indigenous people.  The dialogues that led to the Voice considered lessons learnt. 

Voices have been established many times before. Anytime they made the parliament uncomfortable they have been silenced. Petitions and statements have been ignored. A treaty was promised by Bob Hawke, but its failed to date.

Howard destroyed ATSIC. Governments have failed. The NT Intervention then happened.

The Voice To Parliament can advise the Australian government to take action on black deaths in custody and closing the gap.

Consensus was reached on Uluru Statement give it great power, dialogues across Australia were heard in safe places. The outcome was Voice, Treaty, Truth.  The priority now is the Voice.

Australia is one of the very few like nations that don't have a Treaty or constitutional recognition of indigenous peoples.

Without a Voice, First Nations People go backwards.

The Voice To Parliament can provide advice to the parliament about any future attempts to suspend the Racial Discrimination Act (as Howard did during the racist NT Intervention).

The Voice to Parliament must be in the Constitution to stop future governments destroying it when they don't like what they hear and don't want to listen.

Its up to the Parliament to determine how the Voice will function and how it will be formed.  This may change over time as lessons are learned - this detail must NOT be in the Constitution as then it cannot be altered when needed. 

Marcus Stewart: "the Voice (now) is essential for getting to Treaty, which could take 20+ years."

Sovereignty has not been ceded and will never be ceded. 

We are We are a strong people, but in this nation we don't have a political agency to make decisions that affect our lives. We watch other people decide whether our rights are respected and our voices heard.

Voice, Treaty and Truth will benefit the soul of this nation.

We are all lucky to walk on Aboriginal Land.  We came to this place through different paths. 

We have a once in a generation opportunity ahead of us at referendum.

What is on offer is over 60,000 years of history and culture, wisdom and knowledge, traditions and celebrations, strength and resilience, something we can all celebrate.

We will lose nothing but stand to gain so much. We love our culture and want to share it and have it respected and everyone able to celebrate it. All we ask in return is for the freedom and power to make decisions that impact our communities, our culture and our lands.

We want the freedom to choose our own paths in life. For too long Aboriginal people have had policies made to us, for us, but never by us. 

Every aspects of our lives have been controlled by policies ... made by politicians who didn't understand us and didn't respect us.

Having a Voice is the first step in having a meaningful say in the decisions that affect our lives. Its not about assigning blame or guilt. 

The alternative is waking up to a country post referendum that told our people and our communities that we don't belong and that our voice should be silent.

I urge everyone to not let the perfect get in the way of the good. Don't let the search for detail leave us without a seat at the table.

A Yes Vote is confirmation that you want all First Nations communities to thrive again, for our unique connection to this place to be recognised, respected and celebrated. 

Opponents

The Liberal, National and One Nation parties all oppose the Voice to Parliament. Their reasons are unclear. There is no logic, evidence or  facts supporting their positions. They are telling lies about the Voice.

Their political tactic is to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt to kill the Voice. They tried this during the unnecessary marriage plebiscite but it didn't work.

It also appears there is some racism behind this, which is very disappointing.

Some answers to questions

I can't understand how we would be able to progress Treaty without a Voice.  One risk that a Treaty might be signed then torn up by government.

A good agreement never comes before you form a representative body. We have federal government. Its really important to setup a national body.

Treaty will take decades and will be an ongoing struggle, so a national body is going to be so important to ensure outcomes are achieved.

We can work towards a Treaty and have a Voice, work can proceed in tandem.

The Voice is just recognition and consultation. Have conversations with friends and colleagues about the Voice. 

The Voice will be one mechanism to improve lives of First Nations People, better policies will result.

The Voice has an advisory to it can be ignored by government, but it would a brave government to do that.  Parliament will remains responsible for making decisions.  They should listen to what we have to say.

The Voice will not have a power of veto.

The parliament and the government will seek advice from First Nations people. For example, the lifting of alcohol bans. 

Local, regional and national layers of representation will represent all groups across Australia.

The Voice will represent the community it serves. Out people will have a democratic say in who their representative are.

Why I will vote Yes

I will vote yes to the Voice To Parliament referendum. I respect the Uluru Statement and the wishes of First Nations people.

Australia's First Nation's people deserve to have a voice to parliament and government about policies and legislation that affect them.

Solicitor-general Stephen Donaghue advice on the Voice

On 21 April 2023 the government’s top lawyer stated the proposed Indigenous Voice to Parliament would "enhance" Australia's system of government, and does not believe it would "pose any threat" to the nation's parliamentary democracy.

• Voice to Parliament would be an 'enhancement' to constitution, according to solicitor-general - ABC News 

Links

• The Uluru Statement
• Referendum on an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice - referendum question and constitutional amendment.
• Voice to Parliament referendum question and constitutional amendment announced - ABC News
• Voice to Parliament: Debunking 10 myths and misconceptions – Monash Lens

Dr Monique Ryan will be a strong independent voice for Kooyong if she is elected

I got involved in politics are working on campaigns to protect Victoria's native forests.  Elections presented an opportunity to get change for the better.  However, we were not able to "make Australia woodchip free in 1993"...

I joined the Greens and was the Greens candidate for Kooyong in 2001, 2004 and 2007 running against Petro Georgiou, a decent and friendly man who showed great compassion to refugees.

I resigned from the Greens in 2011. All political parties carry baggage and pollute democracy. MPs  mostly represent their party as their first priority rather than their constituents.

I ran as an independent (unsuccessfully) for the state seat of Burwood in the 2014 Victorian election.

People mostly join political parties because the believe in something and want to effect change. I was focussed on protecting forests, the environment, climate change and transitioning to renewable energy. 

However, I found myself diverted into lengthy often toxic state and national council meetings. My energy was diverted into internal battles over policy, priorities and pre-selection. All political parties also engage in branch stacking.

When I send emails to Josh Frydenberg asking him to represent my views in the federal parliament he refuses to do so.  Instead I get a spiel from him on what "their policy" is. He has also blocked me on Twitter without any explanation. He's just not a good representative for me and many others.

I am volunteering for Monique Ryan's campaign for Kooyong because I  believe she will be the best person to represent Kooyong in the federal parliament.

Vote 1 Monique Ryan. Remember to number EVERY square.

We want a Federal representative who takes the time to listen, and act and represent us on the important issues - including climate change, an anti-corruption commission, decent treatment of refugees and protection of our environment.

The campaigns such as Monique Ryan in Kooyong, Zoe Daniel in Goldstein, Allegra Spender in Wentworth and other "teal" seats are fantastic and inspiring. 

Thousands of people are engaged and active.

Democracy has been restored to citizens, breaking the shackles of party politics.

Simon Holmes a Court has provided funding for many of these campaigns via the Climate 200 with no strings attached. This has enabled local independent campaigns to compete against well-funded political party campaigns.

One of the great things about Dr Monique Ryan's campaign is meeting new people from all walks of life and getting out and about door knocking, riding bikes and visiting cafes.

Over 2,000 volunteers are united in a common goal - to get Dr Ryan elected in Kooyong.

This is the first time in Kooyong's history that there has been a real contest for the seat. 

This might be the only chance we get, let's make it happen!

See also

• Independent candidates funded by Climate 200 reset representational democracy 
• Monique Ryan will be a great member of parliament for Kooyong. Ignore Liberal dirty tricks! 

Monique Ryan will be a great member of parliament for Kooyong. Ignore Liberal dirty tricks!

With the long 6 week election campaign drawing to a close there is a buzz in the air in Kooyong.

Monique Ryan, the genuine independent for Kooyong, now has a team of over 2000 volunteers of all ages and from all walks of life.  

Josh Frydenberg covets the seat of Kooyong and is desperate to cling to office.

While Frydenberg still has his nose in front (don't believe the polls) he has ramped up familiar dirty tricks.

If the Liberals polling tells them this isn't working they go dirty

• The Liberal Dirt Unit trawls for something they think discredits the other candidate.
• Ramp up attacks via media
• Distribute attack leaflets to all letterboxes (at taxpayers expense!)
• Other Liberal MPs amplify attacks

If they feel REALLY threatened they escalate

• Deface or pull down opponent corflute posters (several hundred of Monique Ryan's have been stolen or damaged)
• Put up anonymous "attack corflutes" attempting to discredit all independents (new!)
• Ramp up personal attacks via friendly media and social media (ads)
• Prime Minister Morrison and ministers amplify attacks
• Attempt get corflute poster banned on residents property (Tim Wilson in Goldstein, )
• Attempt to restrict number of volunteers at polling booths (Kooyong, unsuccessful)
• Lean on the local council to restrict permits for A frames while distributing flyers

They might even get REALLY dirty

• Try to insert someone into opponent's campaign (or try to bribe someone to defect)
• Abuse other candidates and their supporters in public
• Attempt to provoke a confrontation to discredit their opponent and amplify it via media
• Paint over of Monique Ryan's murals! 

Dr Ryan's campaign is positive

Dr Monique Ryan and all her supporters are committed to an honest and positive campaign that includes:

• Community engagement via forums, street walks, bike rides etc
• Door knocking - the entire electorate of Kooyong has now been visited!
• Transparent declared funding 
• Over 2,000 local volunteers
• No dirty tricks

Volunteers pizza night

Door knocking team

Monique Ryan also debated Frydenberg and proved she will be a great representative for Kooyong if she is elected. Here is the debate in full.

Monique Ryan vs Josh Frydenberg's how to vote cards in Kooyong

How to vote cards are a window into candidate leanings and possible political deals.

Monique Ryan, the community independent candidate for Kooyong, has published the How to Vote instructions below.

• The order of candidates shown is the order on the ballot that voters will use
• Monique Ryan asks people to vote 1 for her
• Then voters select other candidates according to THEIR choice (values alignment, policies etc.)
• This is the best for democracy.

Josh Frydenberg is the incumbent Liberal member of parliament for Kooyong.

His How to Vote is below, with annotations.

Frydenberg has directed preferences to the following candidates:

• 2. Liberal Democrats (right wing)
• 3. Derryn Hinch (Justice) - centrist
• 4. UAP (Clive Palmer, right wing)
• 5. Australian Values Party (right wing)
• 6. Dummy candidate for Frydenberg (fake independent)
• 7. Animal justice
• 8. One Nation (Pauline Hanson, right wing)

Ahead of the following progressive candidate and community independent Monique Ryan:

• 9. Peter Lynch (Labor, progressive)
• 10. Piers Mitcham (Greens, progressive)
• 11 Monique Ryan (Independent)

This indicates possible preference deals between the Liberals, Justice, Liberal Democrats, UAP, AVP and possibly One Nation.

Frydenberg's preferences will not be distributed but they do indicate his political leanings to the right.

When voting:

Make sure you number EVERY square 1 to 11 to ensure your vote is valid.

There will be two ballot papers - House of Reps (green, 11 candidates) and Senate (big, white).

Patricia Karvelas interview with Josh Frydenberg on Radio National 29 Apr 2022

Text [from Twitter thread here]

Recording: http://ab.co/3F2CH1Q Kooyong content starts at 1:10:15

Poster of Frydenberg in Brunswick

Frydenberg with coal in parliament

Notes on his dubious statements and some outright lies follow.

JF:  "I am facing .. somebody who is no more than a slogan, or a board or a banner."

• derogatory, dismissive, disrespectful
• Dr Monique Ryan ran the neurology department at the Royal Children’s Hospital until recently.

PK: "Why undermine her and use this kind of language?"

JF:  "just because you may have had a professional occupation doesn't mean you will bring to the table detailed policies that will enhance the parliament or the local seat"

• Non answer

PK: "Monique Ryan said the party with the most ambitious climate change policy and the toughest integrity commission she would make a deal with [if minority govt].  Isn't the onus on you to create those conditions?"

JF: Non answer, diversion 

PK: "Do you see yourself as as moderate?" 

JF: "I see myself as having progressive views, moderate views on number of issues ..."

"I supported Same Sex Marriage." 

• Lie = he voted against it theyvoteforyou.org.au  
• Josh Frydenberg voted consistently against same-sex marriage equality

JF: "I was one of the strongest advocates for net zero by 2050 ... We have a detailed costed plan to get there"

• Lie. Morrison's "plan" is a pamphlet with no details and many questionable assumptions. 

PK: "Why are you preferencing One Nation over this independent if you are a moderate?"

JK: 'Well because firstly my preferences aren't going to make any difference in the seat because .." [interrupted]

PK: "But the symbolism matters"

JF: "Well no, it doesn't. Because in my seat its going to come down to me and the independent because the Labor party and the Greens, you can barely find a sign for them, are in bed with the so-called independent."

• Lie. There is no conspiracy.

PK: "So if you are progressive/moderate what do you make of embattled Liberal candidate Katherine Deves?"

JF: "Historical analogies with the Holocaust are largely inappropriate. Her [Deves'] comments are inappropriate and unacceptable."

• Morrison endorses her

In summary, Frydenberg: 

• Won't use Monique Ryan's name (disrespectful) 
• Says Dr Ryan is a "fake independent" (a lie)
• Alleges conspiracy between others against him
• Doesn't provide any compelling example of being an effective "moderate"

Build bike paths in Kooyong not car parks

The recent announcement by Josh Frydenberg (Age 3/3/22) to abandon his ill-considered $65 million funding for railway station car parks in Kooyong is welcome. 

These very expensive "car parks for votes" would have increased traffic congestion and pollution in local streets.

This allocation of funds, which has become known as Carpark Rorts, has been criticised by the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) for not being effective or merit-based,

Many local residents oppose these car parks for the following reasons:

• Increased traffic congestion to and around the carparks - up to 800 additional cars per day - with increased pollution from carbon emissions
• Reduced safety due to increased traffic in suburban streets
• Limited parking spaces for locals - most spaces would be occupied all day
• No provision in draft plans for bicycle parking - one car parking space can provide parking for ten bicycles
• Use of council land some distance from the railway stations, instead of using existing railway station carparks

To date, no federal funds have been allocated for building safe cycling infrastructure.

The $65 million would be much better spent building the Hawthorn to Box Hill Trail strategic cycling corridor to provide safe, healthy, car-free, climate-friendly pedestrian and bike transport through the Kooyong electorate. 

Every trip on a bike is one less car on the roads.

Liddiard St car park (proposed)

Wattle Valley Road car park (proposed)

Protest signs in Liddiard St

Protest sign in Liddiard St

Protest flyer

Site of proposed car park in Liddiard St

Protest sign in Wattle Valley Road

Existing car park off Wattle Valley Road

Existing Canterbury Station car park

Location of proposed Liddiard St car park

Location of  proposed Wattle Valley Rd car park

Kooyong ballot paper 2019 federal election

The order of candidates on the ballot for Kooyong for the 2019 federal election is:

D'ELIA Steven United Australia Party

YATES Oliver,  Independent

ZUBAC Angelina, Independent

FRYDENBERG Josh,  Liberal

STEWART Jana,  Australian Labor Party

HINKLEY Davina, Animal Justice Party

BURNSIDE Julian, The Greens (VIC)

CHANDLER Bill, Independent


Analysis of candidates

D'ELIA Steven United Australia Party - Right wing (Clive Palmer)

YATES Oliver,  Independent

• Strong policies on tacking climate change and renewable energy

ZUBAC Angelina, Independent

• Some policies on tacking climate change
• Stood in previous 2014 election

FRYDENBERG Josh,  Liberal

• Deputy Leader of Liberal Party and Treasurer
• Very weak policies on tacking climate change and renewable energy
• Liberal party policies and politics are now mostly right wing
• Very few policies released for this election

STEWART Jana,  Australian Labor Party

• Running a strong local campaign
• Labor party policies on climate change are much stronger than the Liberals but could be improved
• Significant policies including tax reform announced well in advance of and during the election campaign.

HINKLEY Davina, Animal Justice Party

• Running mainly on animal rights

BURNSIDE Julian, The Greens (VIC)

• Prominent barrister well know for advocacy on refugees

CHANDLER Bill, Independent

• Strong policies on climate change, transport
• Extensive experience in urban planning

How to Vote

You must number every square (candidate) on the ballot paper in order of your preference.

How to vote cards handed out by parties and candidates only provide their suggestions on how to allocate your preference.  The choice is yours.

I am considering supporting independent candidate(s) then putting Jana Stewart (Labor) ahead of Josh Frydenberg (Liberal Party) due to Labor's more progressive policies as per below.

If you want your preference to go to the Morrison government then put Frydenberg above Stewart, but you can still vote for independent candidates before them.

If you strongly support the Greens, Labor or the Liberals then give them your first preference.

Links

• Kooyong - Federal Election 2019 Electorate, Candidates, Results | Australia Votes - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) 
• Practise voting - House of Representatives - Australian Electoral Commission 

Getting clean energy, cutting pollution and protecting reefs, rivers, forest and wildlife onto the Kooyong 2016 election agenda

The long running federal election campaign is coming to an end.  Most of the action has been in marginal seats in New South Wales and Queensland where cash gets splashed and promises are made.

A safe Liberal seat like Kooyong becomes a bit of backwater.  However, this election the Australian Conservation Foundation and The Wilderness Society have mobilised community volunteers to door knock through the electorate and ask people to pledge they will vote for a candidate who commits to:

• Supporting clean energy
• Cutting pollution
• Protecting reefs, rivers, forest and wildlife onto the Kooyong 2016 election agenda

Party candidates in Kooyong were asked to make the same pledge. Margaret D'Arcy (Labor) and Helen McLeod (Greens) both did, but Josh Frydenberg (Liberal, incumbent) did not.

Pledges and leaflets

Over 1000 people in the electorate did make the pledge.

I did some door knocking on Saturday 25 July in August with about a dozen other volunteers. I had many good conversations with voters and over 100 pledges.  One person said they couldn't pledge as they voted Liberal. When I told him that the pledge was apolitical he said he would and asked me why Josh wouldn't.  I said he would have to ask Josh about that.

I handed out copies of the scorecard (which is not a how to vote card) at the early voting (pre poll) centre in Riversdale Road.

Josh was there with his "blue army" of around 8 helpers in blue shirts.

Helen McLeod, Margaret D'Arcy and Angelina Zubic (independent) were there too.

Josh said he wasn't happy about the leaflet, even though I clarified it (and the pledge) was produced by ACF and TWS.  He said he wasn't happy with the "pledge truck" that has been around in Kooyong, so the Liberals have responded with their truck (attacking the Greens, but no mention of Liberal except in unreadable fine print).

However, Josh did say he was interested in helping get the Hawthorn to Box Hill bike trail built so I will catch up with him after the election - he is likely to be elected - to discuss how we can make some progress.

It will be interesting to see how community-based door knocking and the pledge in Kooyong will affect the outcome.  A good comparison will be Goldstein, which has a similar strong Greens vote but there was no activity with the pledge.

Kooyong is still among the top 25 green electorates in the country and the vote is growing:

• 1998: 4%
• 2001: 11.24%
• 2004: 12.54%
• 2007: 11.82%
• 2010: 18.48% 
• 2013:  16.58%

Josh Frydenberg responded to this environmental focus by distributing a leaflet to the entire electorate spruiking his environmental credentials.  

But Josh didn't mention his support for coal seam gas (CSG, fracking), new coal mines such and Shenhua (Liverpool Plains, NSW) and Adani (Carmichael, QLD) and increased coal exports to India. 

It is very clear that we need to transition of coal and other fossil fuels over the next 10 years to 100% renewable energy if we are to have any chance of retaining a safe climate.  

The Liberal-National minority government are stuck in denial of climate change; their "Direct Action" policies are ineffective and emissions have risen since Tony Abbott scrapped the effective carbon tax - this was his greatest blunder and an act of sheer vandalism.

The Labor party's climate and energy policies, while better than the LNP, are still nowhere near good enough. 

The Greens still have the strongest environmental policies, and they are the only ones to mention forest protecting during this election campaign.  If the Greens win Batman (possible) and Higgins (not so likely) in Victoria and a couple of others elsewhere they may have the numbers to form government with Labor.  Labor has churlishly ruled this out, but would they really force us to go to another general election? 

It will be interesting to see what the voters of Kooyong and across Australia do.

Letter to my local member Petro Georgiou on climate change

I just sent this letter to Petro Georgiou, my local member in the Kooyong electorate.

Dear Petro,

I write to you as a constituent. Thanks for your letter dated 16 May advising of budget matters and the Government's platform for the 2007 election.

I believe that climate change is the number one issue facing Australia and Kooyong at present. I don't think the Government and budget initiatives you mention under "The Environment" are anywhere near enough to address climate change.

For example, nearly all the total $500m Low Emissions Technology Demonstration fund is committed to carbon capture and sequestration research and development. You incorrectly refer to this as "clean coal". There is no such thing, burning coal will always result in carbon emissions. This technology is unproven, and will in any case will not be available in time to address the major cutbacks immediately required in carbon emissions - as identified in the Stern report and recent IPCC reports.

Both these reports indicate that significant expenditure (about 1% of GDP) is required to limit further global temperature rises by one degree. The cost of doing nothing effective now could require over 3-5% of GDP to address later (say in 5 years time).

Your government and the Prime Minister has stated that Australia cannot take action to address climate change as it will affect employment and our standard of living. This is completely the wrong way around. If we don't take immediate action to address climate change, our incomes and standard of living will greatly affected in the near future. We are already seeing the affects of climate change and drought on our agricultural exports and food supply.

I would like to you ensure that Australia:

• Legislates for a renewable energy target of 30% by 2020 to fast-track the shift to a clean energy economy, which could become one of Australia's major sectors for employment and exports.

• Sets a legislated target to stabilise our total energy consumption by 2010. We must reduce our energy consumption through increased efficiency measures to reduce our carbon emissions,

• Achieves reductions of 1.5% on our total electricity use every year to 2020. After stablilising our energy consumption, we must then progressively reduce it through efficiency measures.

• Abolishes the fringe benefit tax concessions for car use. Many leased cars are currently used excessively to meet tax deduction requirements, resulting in large and avoidable carbon emissions.

• Provides $1 billion of additional Federal funding annually for our public transport systems. Public transport, and rail in particular, is much more energy efficient than transport by privately owned motor vehicles. Increased use of improved public transport will reduce our carbon emissions.

• Ends broad-scale land clearing and logging of high conservation value native forests by 2008, to address the greenhouse emissions from these practices.

• Put a price on carbon pollution, either through a tax or an emissions trading scheme. This will ensure that renewable energy can compete with fossil fuel energy on a level playing field. Fossil fuel energy is heavily subsides by the Government. These subsidies must be removed.

• Does not build new coal fired power stations and that we responsibly phase out our involvement in the coal industry.

• Ratifies the Kyoto Protocol immediately. Climate change is a global problem, and it needs a global solution. Australia should become a constructive part of this international process.

• Shifts overseas aid to renewable energy sectors. Australia must integrate climate change risk factors into all relevant parts of our Overseas Development Assistance (ODA) program planning and evaluation. The majority of Australia's ODA energy sector spending should be on renewable energy, demand management and energy efficiency.

• Does not use nuclear power and stops uranium mining. Nuclear power is a dangerous and ineffective response to climate change. Australia’s involvement in the global nuclear cycle should be nil – no uranium mining, nuclear waste dumps, and nuclear power stations for Australia.

• Limits global temperate increases to 2 degrees. Most industrialised nations now accept the imperative of constraining global temperature increase to 2 degrees or less to avoid catastrophic climate change, It is imperative that constraining global temperature increase to no more than 2 degrees above pre-industrial levels must underpin Australian government policy responses to global warming.

At local level, can you please:

• Commit to Kooyong becoming carbon neutral? Can you please commit to the target of Kooyong becoming carbon neutral by 2010?

• Provide funding for the Eastern Rail Trail? Increasing bicycle transport is another means of reducing our carbon emissions. A high quality bicycle trail along the Box Hill line through Kooyong would encourage both local and commuter cycling.

Could you please convey my views to the Australian parliament and the Liberal Party room for consideration and action?

I await your response. I will follow this email up with a phone call next week to confirm progress on this. I would also like to meet with you to discuss these matters further.

Regards, Peter