Below is an open letter I have sent to Robert Clark, my local member of parliament, about the Baillieu governments alarming intention to provide permanent exemptions that will allow some religious organisations to discriminate against Victorians.
You can sign and online petition about this, and send an email to your local MP from the Equal Rights Victoria website.
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Dear Robert
I am contacting you to express my strong objection to the Liberal government’s intention to strengthen the rights of religious organisations and individuals to discriminate against and abuse others who don’t agree with them.
I fully endorse people’s right to freedom of religious thought, worship and practice. However this does not mean that religious individuals and organisations should therefore have the right to impose their beliefs on others who don’t agree with them - particularly when this occurs in non-religious/mainstream or secular settings.
It is appropriate that people with religious beliefs be able to say who can or cannot join their congregation or attend one of their religious ceremonies or be appointed as a priest/ pastor etc. However when a religious organisation or individual is engaged in the provision of things such as education, health, welfare or commercial/retail services, they should have to comply with the anti-discrimination laws in the same way that everyone does.
To give religious people and organisations additional legal privileges and protections over other groups in society is totally against notions of fairness and social justice. It also goes against all efforts to create and maintain a society in which citizens welcome diversity and understand that although we all have human rights, we also have responsibilities to respect the equal rights of others. It is absurd that a government would excuse or pardon one groups’ discrimination against others just because it was done of the basis of their particular spiritual beliefs.
By strengthening the exemptions in the Equal Opportunity Act, major harm will continue to be inflicted on the health and wellbeing of significant numbers of the population. For example, there would be some 500,000 individuals in Victoria that identify as same sex attracted and research clearly shows higher rates of depression, anxiety, self harm and suicide attempts amongst these citizens (especially young people). This is not the result of anything arising from their sexual orientation but the direct impact of isolation, discrimination and abuse they experience in the community. Religious belief is often used as the justification/explanation for such discrimination.
As my local member of parliament I urge you to take steps to stop the unequal and unfair endorsement of additional privileges and rights for religious individuals/organisations in this state’s human rights law.
Robert, I believe it is very important that all Victorians be treated equally and protected against discrimination.
Regards,
Peter Campbell
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Sunday, November 21, 2010
Liberal, Nationals and Labor converge to shut out Greens
When political parties lodge their "group voting tickets" with the Electoral Commission, their distribution of preferences reveals deals that have been done between them. These "group voting tickets" number all candidates in order and determine the order of voter's preferences for those who vote "above the line" by putting a "1" in a single party's box.
Looking at the "group voting tickets" lodged for the 2010 Victorian State election, the following preference deals are evident:
Labor and the Country Alliance
Labor has a directed preferences to the Country Alliance in Northern Victoria and Eastern Victoria regions - which could result in a right wing candidates getting elected who would oppose new National Parks, support native forest logging and support duck shooting and hunting.
Labor and the Sex Party
Labor has directed preferences to the Sex Party in Northern Metropolitian ahead of the Greens. This is likely to have no effect as the Greens are most likely to win a seat on first preferences. In exchange, the Sex Party is directing lower house preferences in some seats such as Melbourne to Labor ahead of the Greens.
Liberals and the Sex Party
A deal has been done between the Sex Party and the Liberals, making them strange bedfellows. The Liberals have given the Sex Party second preferences in Northern Metropolitan. The Sex Party give immediate preferences to the Greens in South Metropolitan, but as the Greens are likely to have a full quota, the next preference to be effective is to the Liberals ahead of Labor, defeating Labor's Jennifer Huppert and electing Liberal Georgie Crozier (source: Antony Green).
The Sex Party may have even put the Greens last everywhere. The are looking like "the porn and pimps party" run by the big money of the adult industry and are supporting Labor.
Labor and the Greens
Labor has directed second preferences to the Greens in five of the eight upper house seats. In exchange, the Greens have directed preferences to Labor in 11 of Labor's 13 most marginal seats (Mount Waverley 0.3%, Gembrook 0.7%, Forest Hill 0.8%, Mitcham 2.0%, South Barwon 2.3%, Frankston 3.2%, Mordialloc 3.5%, Prahran 3.6%, Burwood 3.7%, Ripon 4.3%, Bendigo East 5.4%, Bentleigh 6.3%, Ballarat West 6.5%)
Labor has also directed preferences to the Greens in 79 of 88 lower house seats, but this is of no real benefit to the Greens as the only seats where they are likely to get elected are direct contests between Labor and the Greens, which means Labor preferences will not be distributed.
The Greens appear to have withdrawn preferences in two of the 13 (possibly Gembrook and one other) in retaliation for Labor directing preferences to the Country Alliance in the upper house. The Greens have stated that they did not direct preferences to Labor in lower house seats in regions where Labor preferenced the County Alliance.
Liberals and the Greens - no deal
The Liberals announced their decision to put the Greens last in all lower house seats across the state. This breaks with their practice in past elections of putting the Greens ahead of Labor on their how to vote cards.
There appears to be four possible reasons for this. The first reason is that the Greens were apparently not offering the Liberals anything they wanted - such as more open tickets (no preference direction) in key Labor marginal seats.
The second reason appears to be ideology. John Howard stated that the Coalition had nothing to gain by helping the Greens take seats from Labor. This was due to perceptions that the Greens would always support Labor and their agenda was more extreme. "I think my side of politics has got to be very careful about giving preferences to the Greens. In my view the Greens are worse than Labor". "The Greens are fundamentally anti free enterprise. They have terrible foreign policy attitudes and they have a lot of social policy attitudes that a lot of Labor people would find abhorrent." Senator Helen Kroger expressed similar views.
It is interesting to note however that both Howard and Kroger participated in previous decisions to preference the Greens ahead of Labor.
However, there was a split within the Liberal party on this. Ex-Treasurer Peter Costello stated that it made good political sense for the Coalition to direction preferences to the Greens in the four inner city seats of Melbourne, Richmond, Northcote and Brunswick as Labor losing these seats would make it easier for the Coalition to win government, and because Labor would be directed campaign resources on two fronts - the inner city contest with the Greens and the other Labor marginals mostly in the outer Eastern Suburbs.
Ex Liberal Premier Jeff Kennett weighed in with an attack on Helen Kroger, stating the Liberals should direct preferences to Labor in the inner city seats, but then later backed Ted Baillieu's decision not to.
Premier John Brumby also made an extraordinary direct appeal when he begged for Liberal voters preferences for Labor ahead of the Greens, stating that Liberal voters should realise a Labor government would be better placed to tackle the big policy challenges than a minority government with the Greens holding the balance of power. ''For the Liberal Party to de facto elect Greens members of parliament is quite anathema to the Liberal Party,'' Brumby said.
The third reason is that it seems there were perceptions within the Liberals that the Greens would not form a minority government with them in the event of a hung parliament, which would have been likely if the Greens won four inner city seats. The Liberals were possibly thinking "if we have got nothing, we have got nothing to lose", or they may prefer staying in opposition to the prospect of entering a minority government with the Greens.
The fourth reason, probably the most likely, is that Labor got onto its big business mates and used them to persuade the Liberals to put Labor ahead of the Greens.
Mandatory preferences are not good for democracy
The electoral requirement for parties and candidates to specify "preference flows" for Upper House voting in Victoria (and the Australian Senate) opens up the playing field for parties and candidates to do all manor of "preference deals", which sometimes results in candidates being elected from a tiny percentage of the vote as Stephen Fielding (Family First) and Peter Kavanagh (DLP) were from Labor preference deals.
This is anti-democratic as voters are not involved in or even aware of such deals, yet their votes go where the party apparatchiks have decided.
A solution is to give voters the right to decide NOT to distribute the any or all of their preferences. For above the line voting this would mean that a "1 Liberal" vote would go only to the Liberal candidates and not "flow on" to others. For voters who do wish to allocate their preferences they could go 1, 2, 3, 4 etc above the line, or number any desired squares below the line in sequence - stopping when they want to.
In the lower house, how-to-vote cards favour political parties who have the resources to (people and/or money) to have them printed and handed out. This provides a heavy bias against any independent candidates who don't have the resources to do this.
A solution would be ban handing out of how to vote cards, and provide fixed printed versions in every polling booth. This would have the added benefit of eliminating the massive waste of paper from the hundreds of thousands how-to-vote cards printed and mostly discarded.
In conclusion
The Liberal-National coaltion's decision to direct preferences to Labor has certainly have impacted the Greens chances in all four inner city seats, but a lot still depends on the voters, many of whom may not follow their party's how to vote cards and choose where their preference goes.
If Liberal voters in these seats follow the Liberal how to vote card, then a vote for the Liberals will be a vote for Labor.
If you live in the seat of Melbourne, Richmond, Brunswick or Northcote (or any other seat for that matter) you would do well to allocate your own preferences and not follow any how to vote card.
It is also possible that Labor preferences may elect the Country Alliance to the Upper House, and that they may hold the balance of power in the upper house. Yet another right wing group could hold the government to ransom.
Links
Note that some of the articles below would have been written by party apparatchiks and fed to the media, and may bear no semblance to the truth!
Looking at the "group voting tickets" lodged for the 2010 Victorian State election, the following preference deals are evident:
Labor and the Country Alliance
Labor has a directed preferences to the Country Alliance in Northern Victoria and Eastern Victoria regions - which could result in a right wing candidates getting elected who would oppose new National Parks, support native forest logging and support duck shooting and hunting.
Labor and the Sex Party
Labor has directed preferences to the Sex Party in Northern Metropolitian ahead of the Greens. This is likely to have no effect as the Greens are most likely to win a seat on first preferences. In exchange, the Sex Party is directing lower house preferences in some seats such as Melbourne to Labor ahead of the Greens.
Liberals and the Sex Party
A deal has been done between the Sex Party and the Liberals, making them strange bedfellows. The Liberals have given the Sex Party second preferences in Northern Metropolitan. The Sex Party give immediate preferences to the Greens in South Metropolitan, but as the Greens are likely to have a full quota, the next preference to be effective is to the Liberals ahead of Labor, defeating Labor's Jennifer Huppert and electing Liberal Georgie Crozier (source: Antony Green).
The Sex Party may have even put the Greens last everywhere. The are looking like "the porn and pimps party" run by the big money of the adult industry and are supporting Labor.
Labor has directed second preferences to the Greens in five of the eight upper house seats. In exchange, the Greens have directed preferences to Labor in 11 of Labor's 13 most marginal seats (Mount Waverley 0.3%, Gembrook 0.7%, Forest Hill 0.8%, Mitcham 2.0%, South Barwon 2.3%, Frankston 3.2%, Mordialloc 3.5%, Prahran 3.6%, Burwood 3.7%, Ripon 4.3%, Bendigo East 5.4%, Bentleigh 6.3%, Ballarat West 6.5%)
Labor has also directed preferences to the Greens in 79 of 88 lower house seats, but this is of no real benefit to the Greens as the only seats where they are likely to get elected are direct contests between Labor and the Greens, which means Labor preferences will not be distributed.
The Greens appear to have withdrawn preferences in two of the 13 (possibly Gembrook and one other) in retaliation for Labor directing preferences to the Country Alliance in the upper house. The Greens have stated that they did not direct preferences to Labor in lower house seats in regions where Labor preferenced the County Alliance.
Liberals and the Greens - no deal
The Liberals announced their decision to put the Greens last in all lower house seats across the state. This breaks with their practice in past elections of putting the Greens ahead of Labor on their how to vote cards.
There appears to be four possible reasons for this. The first reason is that the Greens were apparently not offering the Liberals anything they wanted - such as more open tickets (no preference direction) in key Labor marginal seats.
The second reason appears to be ideology. John Howard stated that the Coalition had nothing to gain by helping the Greens take seats from Labor. This was due to perceptions that the Greens would always support Labor and their agenda was more extreme. "I think my side of politics has got to be very careful about giving preferences to the Greens. In my view the Greens are worse than Labor". "The Greens are fundamentally anti free enterprise. They have terrible foreign policy attitudes and they have a lot of social policy attitudes that a lot of Labor people would find abhorrent." Senator Helen Kroger expressed similar views.
It is interesting to note however that both Howard and Kroger participated in previous decisions to preference the Greens ahead of Labor.
However, there was a split within the Liberal party on this. Ex-Treasurer Peter Costello stated that it made good political sense for the Coalition to direction preferences to the Greens in the four inner city seats of Melbourne, Richmond, Northcote and Brunswick as Labor losing these seats would make it easier for the Coalition to win government, and because Labor would be directed campaign resources on two fronts - the inner city contest with the Greens and the other Labor marginals mostly in the outer Eastern Suburbs.
Ex Liberal Premier Jeff Kennett weighed in with an attack on Helen Kroger, stating the Liberals should direct preferences to Labor in the inner city seats, but then later backed Ted Baillieu's decision not to.
Premier John Brumby also made an extraordinary direct appeal when he begged for Liberal voters preferences for Labor ahead of the Greens, stating that Liberal voters should realise a Labor government would be better placed to tackle the big policy challenges than a minority government with the Greens holding the balance of power. ''For the Liberal Party to de facto elect Greens members of parliament is quite anathema to the Liberal Party,'' Brumby said.
The third reason is that it seems there were perceptions within the Liberals that the Greens would not form a minority government with them in the event of a hung parliament, which would have been likely if the Greens won four inner city seats. The Liberals were possibly thinking "if we have got nothing, we have got nothing to lose", or they may prefer staying in opposition to the prospect of entering a minority government with the Greens.
The fourth reason, probably the most likely, is that Labor got onto its big business mates and used them to persuade the Liberals to put Labor ahead of the Greens.
So the Liberals announced their decision to direct preferences to Labor in the four inner city seats, and attempted to claim the high moral ground by claiming "voters now have a clear choice" and that "a Labor majority government is better than a Greens-Labor minority government. Brian Walters, the Greens candidate for Melbourne stated that in doing so, "The Liberals and Labor seem to have formed a grand conservative coalition to shut out the Greens".
The electoral requirement for parties and candidates to specify "preference flows" for Upper House voting in Victoria (and the Australian Senate) opens up the playing field for parties and candidates to do all manor of "preference deals", which sometimes results in candidates being elected from a tiny percentage of the vote as Stephen Fielding (Family First) and Peter Kavanagh (DLP) were from Labor preference deals.
This is anti-democratic as voters are not involved in or even aware of such deals, yet their votes go where the party apparatchiks have decided.
A solution is to give voters the right to decide NOT to distribute the any or all of their preferences. For above the line voting this would mean that a "1 Liberal" vote would go only to the Liberal candidates and not "flow on" to others. For voters who do wish to allocate their preferences they could go 1, 2, 3, 4 etc above the line, or number any desired squares below the line in sequence - stopping when they want to.
In the lower house, how-to-vote cards favour political parties who have the resources to (people and/or money) to have them printed and handed out. This provides a heavy bias against any independent candidates who don't have the resources to do this.
A solution would be ban handing out of how to vote cards, and provide fixed printed versions in every polling booth. This would have the added benefit of eliminating the massive waste of paper from the hundreds of thousands how-to-vote cards printed and mostly discarded.
In conclusion
The Liberal-National coaltion's decision to direct preferences to Labor has certainly have impacted the Greens chances in all four inner city seats, but a lot still depends on the voters, many of whom may not follow their party's how to vote cards and choose where their preference goes.
If Liberal voters in these seats follow the Liberal how to vote card, then a vote for the Liberals will be a vote for Labor.
If you live in the seat of Melbourne, Richmond, Brunswick or Northcote (or any other seat for that matter) you would do well to allocate your own preferences and not follow any how to vote card.
It is also possible that Labor preferences may elect the Country Alliance to the Upper House, and that they may hold the balance of power in the upper house. Yet another right wing group could hold the government to ransom.
Links
Note that some of the articles below would have been written by party apparatchiks and fed to the media, and may bear no semblance to the truth!
- Antony Green's Election Blog: Legislative Council Preference Tickets
- Kennett Attacks Kroger Over Green Preferences | AustralianPolitics.com :
- John Howard urgers Liberals not to give preferences to Greens :
- Liberals In Conflict Over Preference Deals :
- Preferencing Greens may be Libs' best option | The Australian :
- Victorian Liberals Put Greens Last On How To Vote Cards The Age
- How-to-vote cards awaken the rebel in inner-city voter The Age
- Coalition Puts Greens Last | Greens On The Outer : The Age
- Deal founders on Greens' arrogance | The Australian :
- Greens cling to lower house hopes :
- Of course the Liberals prefer the right-wing Labor party to the progressive Greens | An Onymous Lefty :
- Greens still positive despite preference deals - iPRIME Albury :
- Antony Green's Election Blog: Implications of the Liberals putting the Greens last in the Lower House :
- Preference snub renders Greens 'a lost cause' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) :
- Labor’s Greens obsession on show over preference deals | Crikey :
- Liberals split on Greens preference snub | The Australian :
- Lateline - 15/11/2010: Greens lose Coalition preferences :
Sunday, March 28, 2010
Roads, water, smart meters and the 2010 Victorian state election
The phoney campaign for the 2010 Victorian state election is well and truly underway. Unfortunately, this highlights the failings of politics and government to follow due process, public consultation and make appropriate decisions. Some examples follow.
Smart meters
The business case for smart meters has not been proven, yet residents are being forced to pay for them whether they want them or not. Greater benefits at much lower cost could have been obtained by installing simple in house energy meter displays to allow consumers to see real time how much power they are are using and therefore set about reducing it. Unfortunately, these "in home displays" have been dropped from the mandatory section of the Victorian Government's smart meter specification.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/smarts-on-hold-but-consumers-still-paying-for-meter-20100327-r48y.html
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/smart-meters-another-dumb-economic-idea-20100412-s40m.html
Water
The Brumby government has embarked on a carbon intensive and environmentally damaging water strategy that also has no solid business case. The north south pipeline steals water from the chronically deprived Murray Darling basin and sends it over the divide to Melbourne. The desalination plant will consume large amounts of energy, pollute the Bass Coast, and result in high net carbon emissions. Meanwhile, water tanks, recycling and stopping logging in water catchments are all ignored, despite being more effective, cheaper and better for the environment.
http://www.theage.com.au/environment/brumbys-water-plan-savaged-20100327-r4dh.html
The relaxing of stage 3A water restrictions is a political stunt for the election. Melbourne's water storages are still too low for this.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/water-restrictions-never-again-above-stage-3-20100316-qcl6.html?autostart=1
The economics of the desalination plan just don't stack up, and due diligence has not been a feature of the business case or the planning/approval process for it.
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/water-plans-drift-behind-a-veil-of-secrecy-20100411-s0os.html
Planning
The internal workings of Government - including sham public consultations - is revealed in the media strategy written by Planning Minister Justin Madden's media advisor and accidentally sent to the media. Madden and Brumby have claimed repeatedly that the document is "unusual" and "irregular: and even that they have "seen nothing like it". What a load of nonsense. This sort of spin and manipulation is clearly common.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/madden-media-plan-shows-the-inner-workings-of-spin-20100306-ppts.html
What has Victorian Attorney General Rob Hulls and the Brumby Government go to hide? Given a Ministerial advisor wrote at document that indicates planning processes would be subverted (for the Windsor), why should they be "excluded" from giving evidence to a Parliamentary Committee? This has a whiff of corruption about it.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/labor-advisers-may-face-jail-20100412-s47q.html
Public transport
Decades of neglect and inadequate funding for Victoria's public transport by both Labor and Liberal governments have taken their toll. Trains don't run on time, or at all, and are packed when they do. Trams in the city are infrequent and now crowded to capacity. Privatisation is a failure. The new Metro operator is as bad or worse than the previous one.
The majority of funding in the 40b dollar transport plan is still going to roads and freeways.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/brumby-rail-promise-stalls-20100214-nzgk.html
Logging old growth forests
The 2010 Timber Release Plan (TRP) for East Gippland published by the Victorian Government will dramatically increase old growth forest logging in 2010. It deliberately targets old growth forest areas from maps used during negotiations with environment groups about the government's 2006 election commitment to "protect that last significant old growth forest in East Gippsland" Download the letter to get the full story.
http://www.greenlivingpedia.org/Image:2010_VicForests_logging_letter.pdf
VicForests, under the control of the Victorian Government, has been taken to court by Environment East Gippsland to protect Brown Mountain. The government refused to take appropriate action to protect endangered species such as the Potoroo from logging. It is to be hoped the judge finds the government should do what the law says and survey for threatened species in forests before logging them. Currently they don't - because they don't want to find them - which would mean they can't log the forests.
http://www.greenlivingpedia.org/Brown_Mountain_old_growth_forest
This track record is not good. I think it may even cost them the next election. Unfortunately, a Liberal/National government would most likely continue with all these flawed policies and practices.
So think about voting Green or independent and choose carefully where YOUR preference goes.
Smart meters
The business case for smart meters has not been proven, yet residents are being forced to pay for them whether they want them or not. Greater benefits at much lower cost could have been obtained by installing simple in house energy meter displays to allow consumers to see real time how much power they are are using and therefore set about reducing it. Unfortunately, these "in home displays" have been dropped from the mandatory section of the Victorian Government's smart meter specification.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/smarts-on-hold-but-consumers-still-paying-for-meter-20100327-r48y.html
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/smart-meters-another-dumb-economic-idea-20100412-s40m.html
Water
The Brumby government has embarked on a carbon intensive and environmentally damaging water strategy that also has no solid business case. The north south pipeline steals water from the chronically deprived Murray Darling basin and sends it over the divide to Melbourne. The desalination plant will consume large amounts of energy, pollute the Bass Coast, and result in high net carbon emissions. Meanwhile, water tanks, recycling and stopping logging in water catchments are all ignored, despite being more effective, cheaper and better for the environment.
http://www.theage.com.au/environment/brumbys-water-plan-savaged-20100327-r4dh.html
The relaxing of stage 3A water restrictions is a political stunt for the election. Melbourne's water storages are still too low for this.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/water-restrictions-never-again-above-stage-3-20100316-qcl6.html?autostart=1
The economics of the desalination plan just don't stack up, and due diligence has not been a feature of the business case or the planning/approval process for it.
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/water-plans-drift-behind-a-veil-of-secrecy-20100411-s0os.html
Planning
The internal workings of Government - including sham public consultations - is revealed in the media strategy written by Planning Minister Justin Madden's media advisor and accidentally sent to the media. Madden and Brumby have claimed repeatedly that the document is "unusual" and "irregular: and even that they have "seen nothing like it". What a load of nonsense. This sort of spin and manipulation is clearly common.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/madden-media-plan-shows-the-inner-workings-of-spin-20100306-ppts.html
What has Victorian Attorney General Rob Hulls and the Brumby Government go to hide? Given a Ministerial advisor wrote at document that indicates planning processes would be subverted (for the Windsor), why should they be "excluded" from giving evidence to a Parliamentary Committee? This has a whiff of corruption about it.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/labor-advisers-may-face-jail-20100412-s47q.html
Public transport
Decades of neglect and inadequate funding for Victoria's public transport by both Labor and Liberal governments have taken their toll. Trains don't run on time, or at all, and are packed when they do. Trams in the city are infrequent and now crowded to capacity. Privatisation is a failure. The new Metro operator is as bad or worse than the previous one.
The majority of funding in the 40b dollar transport plan is still going to roads and freeways.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/brumby-rail-promise-stalls-20100214-nzgk.html
Logging old growth forests
The 2010 Timber Release Plan (TRP) for East Gippland published by the Victorian Government will dramatically increase old growth forest logging in 2010. It deliberately targets old growth forest areas from maps used during negotiations with environment groups about the government's 2006 election commitment to "protect that last significant old growth forest in East Gippsland" Download the letter to get the full story.
http://www.greenlivingpedia.org/Image:2010_VicForests_logging_letter.pdf
VicForests, under the control of the Victorian Government, has been taken to court by Environment East Gippsland to protect Brown Mountain. The government refused to take appropriate action to protect endangered species such as the Potoroo from logging. It is to be hoped the judge finds the government should do what the law says and survey for threatened species in forests before logging them. Currently they don't - because they don't want to find them - which would mean they can't log the forests.
http://www.greenlivingpedia.org/Brown_Mountain_old_growth_forest
This track record is not good. I think it may even cost them the next election. Unfortunately, a Liberal/National government would most likely continue with all these flawed policies and practices.
So think about voting Green or independent and choose carefully where YOUR preference goes.
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